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Grapeshot


From: Peter Keel
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:08:49 +0100

Hello

We've had some bags of grapeshot (canister/case; tough these are 
obviously 18/19th century words, where it referred to fine-grained
shots as opposed to grapeshot which then consisted of big balls),
or in german perhaps "Kartätsche" at our siege-engineer-display.

There was some commotion as somebody referred to them as Shrapnel,
which it obviously wasn't, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shrapnel
Henry Shrapnel not born then, and not explosive either. 

Wikipedia now claims "Kartätsche" (the balls or whatever packed
in bags) was only invented around 1600, in the 15th century only
"Hagel" was used, essentially the same without the packing. 
The source wikipedia quotes is dubious at best ("Militair-
conversations-lexikon, 1834") Ospreys "Tudor Warships" mentions
grapeshot for 1545; no idea about heir source. My Books, among
them http://openlibrary.org/b/OL6719429M/Geschu%CC%88tz_im_Mittelalter
don't seem to say anything about it. The above one covers only 
the period up until about 1440, and it's not exactly easy to find
something in 14/15th century accounts if you don't know how it might 
be called.. 

So the question is: 
- Are there any sources for grapeshot/Kartätsche (not "Hagel")
  for the 15th century? Perhaps Patrice knows pictorial evidence? 
- How was that thing called? In english, french or german. 

Cheers
Seegras
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