Re: How to attach cuisses/leg armour

[Mathieu Harlaut]

Hi,

Thanks a lot for sharing, that is very kind of you.

Regards,


Mathieu

Le 11 ao=FBt 09 =E0 14:16, Willhelm Sch=FCtz a =E9crit :

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> I hope the author wont mind but i uploaded it on this service, hope it
> works; http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3DHPT4A0W0
> Cheers,
> Willhelm
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>> Willhelm: Thanks for the info, do you know were we can find this =3D20
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>> Regards,
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>> Mathieu
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>> Le 11 ao=3DFBt 09 =3DE0 12:36, wuritter-at-aol.com a =3DE9crit :
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>>> Hi Mathieu,
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>>> With arming doublet I mean a (slightly) padded clothing being worn =20=

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>>> to the Hastngs ms "How a man shall be armed at his ease"), but not =20=

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>>> With pourpoint I meant -after reconsideration obviously confusing =20=

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>>> "Traytese of the poyntes of worship in armes" by Johan Hill, from =20=

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>>> Again I may be confusing the terms, but as far as I have read and =20=

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>>> seen illustrations/paintings, the arming doublet could have been =3D20=

>>> worn additionally to the regular combination of hoses and the =3D20
>>> doublet; therefore working as a foundation garment for the armour.
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>>> -at-Willhelm: thanks for the hint, I will have a look.
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>>> Regards
>>> Wolfgang Ritter
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>>> -----Urspr=3DFCngliche Mitteilung-----
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>>> Von: Mathieu Harlaut 
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>>> An: living-history-at-companie-of-st-george.ch
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>>> Verschickt: Di., 11. Aug. 2009, 11:56
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>>> Thema: Re: How to attach cuisses/leg armour
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>>> Hi Wolfgang,
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>>> But it is indeed an interesting one and I will take a closer look.
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>>> However I would like to have some precision on the terminology. =20
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>>> do you call an arming doublet and a pourpoint?
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>>> For me it might be the same thing as in french it describes more =20
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>>> less the same garment but in different periods. A garment that is =20=

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>>> "pourpoint=3D3DE9" is a padded garment.
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>>> All the best,
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>>> Mathieu
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>>> Le 11 ao=3D3DFBt 09 =3D3DE0 11:23, WURitter-at-aol.com a =3D3DE9crit :
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>>>> Hello everbody,
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>>>> this has buggled me for quite some time: do we have a real =20
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>>>> for attaching the leg armour via points to an arming doublet?
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>>>> I attach
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>>>> the legs to my arming doublet which seems to be the solution of =20
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>>>> majority of 15th ct reenactors, although I think that attaching =3D20=

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>>>> well. Others use belts or braces of various shape.
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>>>> But neither paintings/illustrations nor effigies I've seen really =20=

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>>>> show the method (for obvious reasons), so until now I have not =20
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>>>> For sure, there are gazillions of period
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>>>> far as well as other written
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>>>> comments alike the well-known "How a man shall be armed" etc.
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>>>> But I really like to go the authentic way and therefore I'd be =20
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>>>> Thanks in advance!
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>>>> Best regards
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>>>> Wolfgang Ritter
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