Re: Buckets with ears ...

["Cezary Wyszynski"]

Hello Everybody

> Did he say "Buckets without ears -> rope handle", or just that "he has 
> never
> seen such a thing [i.e. wooden buckets with ears and a rope handle]"?

Yes I have just told to Christian that I have never seen rope handles before 
20c reenactment :) in historical sources
I hope he understood me properly.

Please find a small database I prepered in December 2005, here :
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/

Unfortunately all descriptions are in polish, but just follow the numbers :) 
. "wiek" means "century"
If you are interested in this subject please view all the page, because 
(what will you see in a minute) coopery products look the same through all 
the time from ancient history to the end of 19 c

What can I say after this small research (basing on sources from roman times 
till 19 c):

1. using iron rings/loops/hoops (I dont know which name is the best for 
that) is very very rare comparing to all variety of coopery products
2. the only kind of coopery product that can have iron rings are buckets .. 
and not all but those used as :  a)  well buckets    b) canon buckets
3. comparing wooden rings:  round willow rings are much much more common 
than flat wooden rings, like 20 : 1 or more
4. many times round willow rings have additional protection made with root 
or thread (linen for example)
5. no rope handles found in all coopery history


What is also interesting, (but perhaps its not a rule) , that:

6. most buckets which  have wooden ears, they have sticks (not bended 
handles) , like those :

http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/15wiek_01.jpg

- findings from swedish wreck (ship)  Solena 1627
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/17wiek_02.jpg


or just without a stick

- Sanctuary Notre-Dame des Fontaines, La Brigue - nave, southern side wall,
lower register - Cycle of Christ's Passion : Christ jeered by Herod's guards
(14/25) - Detail : guard and servant , La Brigue (France) , late 15c
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/15wiek_09.jpg

-  Hausbuch der Mendelschen Zwölfbrüderstiftung, 1428
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/15wiek_12.jpg

- Daniel Chodowiecki, Lauenburg (germany) 1770
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/18wiek_03.jpg

'Salomon Trismosin' - Splendor Solis, (germany) 1582
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/16wiek_03.jpg


7. most buckets which have iron rings comes with iron handles and iron ears 
(since those -- well and canon -- buckets has to be very strong)

(but its not a rule again, as you can find some with wooden ears and iron 
handles too)
among other sources please see those reproductions for canon buckets:

http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/canon_buckets_01.jpg
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/canon_buckets_02.jpg
http://azor.cisovanet.pl/zrodla/bednarka/galeria/canon_buckets_03.jpg


7a . on the other hand most buckets which have already iron handle, comes 
with iron ears (but its also not a rule since there are some buckets with 
iron handle and wooden ears too)


ok. enough for today :)


best regards
Cezary Wyszynski