Padded shoulders (was: Re: Padded jacks sleeve construction)

[Christian Folini]

Hi there,

This brings me to a question about arming doublets.
If one of these lightely padded doubleta were to be worn
under a suit of mail with arms. Would it be useful
to have puff shoulders. Or would this be a handicap when
worn with mail?

any insight appreciated,

Christian


On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:56:30PM +0200, Mathieu Harlaut wrote:
> Hi Hugo,
> 
> The jack described in the so called "ordinances" about the jacks is not  
> necessarily the same type of jacks that the one reproduced in the book.  
> For example, when reading the description made for  Louis XI, it seems  
> that this jack doesn't have any puff around the shoulders . There was  
> many different design of jack and the ones that we know are but a few.  
> We don't even know what the jack from the ordinances really looked  
> liked or if the sleeves of the one from the reliquary of St Ursula had  
> the same amount of layer (the same type that the one in Gerry's book).
> 
> Anyway, I would guess that the stitching is covered by an extra layer  
> of cloth or that the layers are sufficiently hold together by the  
> stitching of the shoulder , the puff and the cuff.
> 
> Hope it helps,
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Le 20 juil. 04, à 16:40, Hugo Tremblay a écrit :
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >This is a question for those who tried to recreate the padded jack as  
> >desribed in Dragon #3. This, as well as the ordinance referred to,  
> >mentions that the sleeves must be of the same strength. A question  
> >arise about the "quilting" of those sleeves. (I will use the term  
> >quilting knowing that it is not technically a quilt, but I can't think  
> >of anty other words for this type of stitching: sorry for the  
> >inconvenience.)
> >
> >On many reconstructions, including those pictured in M. Embleton's  
> >books, jacks are shown having unquilted sleeves. However, if those  
> >sleeves are in fact constructed as the body, how are the layers kept  
> >from shifting inside the actual sleeve? Does the sleeve construction  
> >using smaller pieces than the body remove the need for this supporting  
> >quilting?
> >
> >Any insight in this matter will be greatly appreciated!
> >Hugo
> >
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